Subject	I think the reason is really quite simple
Posted by	Marshall on December 02, 2001 at 10:08 PM
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In Reply To	here we go, for those of you who didn't believe me the first posted by FANTAZ on December 02, 2001 at 09:06 PM
Message	The auto builds boost at the beginning of the run and keeps that boost up throughout the run. Therefore you are running very close to your peak HP throughout the run. The 5 speed on the other hand loses boost after each shift and must build it back up during the next gear. Therefore its power output is much lower than yours at the beginning of the gear and slightly higher at the end of the gear... it fluctuates greatly throughout the run. I think if you were to take an *average* HP output throughout the run, the auto would be putting out more HP on average. The 5 speed, while producing more peak HP, on average does not put out as much HP throughout the run due to the fact that it cannot keep the boost level up throughout the run. That's why you see the real fast guys using those old 2 speed powerglide trannys... they may not be the most efficient transmissions out there, but they make good use of the torque converter to allow the engine to run at its peak HP output rpm throughout the run.
Follow Ups	here we go, for those of you who didn't believe me the first - FANTAZ 21:06:06 12/02/01 This is what I have to say - F8IZHIS 21:13:42 12/02/01 come on everyone knows traction has nothing to do with - FANTAZ 21:21:39 12/02/01 Yes traction has a lot to do with it. The better the - Spongerider 21:39:15 12/02/01 Why does everyone always have to make excuses? - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 21:46:11 12/02/01 is this going to turn into an east coast vs west coast... - TAGURIT(NJ) 21:51:36 12/02/01 West side!!!!! :) (n/m) - Spongerider 21:53:43 12/02/01 east coast has the two fastest daily driven Zs in the countr (n/m) - FANTAZ 22:03:14 12/02/01 West Coast rules - F8IZHIS 22:01:25 12/02/01 Ass! :) (n/m) - Spongerider 22:14:08 12/02/01 Everyone knows all the "real" fast Z's are on the east :-) - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 22:02:40 12/02/01 yup yup:) (n/m) - Chris (NJ) 00:21:06 12/03/01 LOL, So you agree but then you disagree with your self - Spongerider 21:52:02 12/02/01 I agree with Shawn, and I disagree with - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 21:57:47 12/02/01 I just showed how thing are different with his Dyno - Spongerider 22:12:24 12/02/01 before this gets heated, do me a favor and - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 22:18:32 12/02/01 hehe. naaaahhhhhhhh!!! (n/m) - TAGURIT(NJ) 22:26:19 12/02/01 hello, traction has nothing to do with trap speed, again (n/m) - FANTAZ 22:25:09 12/02/01 Hello, I think so even in third gear we were all going - Spongerider 22:42:15 12/02/01 Reread it and it's cool with me how about you? :) (n/m) - Spongerider 22:24:26 12/02/01 it was never uncool for me! (n/m) - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 22:29:01 12/02/01 my post was directed at - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 22:38:43 12/02/01 I got it check your E mail. :) (n/m) - Spongerider 22:44:02 12/02/01 check your mail (n/m) - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 22:51:08 12/02/01 traction has nothing to do with trap speed! (n/m) - FANTAZ 22:05:11 12/02/01 that is SO NOT TRUE! - StEaMyZ(ZtoyZ.NET©) 23:25:02 12/02/01 This reminds me of the longest burnout.. - Jack B. 01:34:37 12/03/01 $100 on Shawn :) (n/m) - got rice? 23:59:59 12/02/01 you are right in the fact that traction is the 60', but - FANTAZ 21:49:16 12/02/01 Yea. To bad we can't all meet for a day of runs - Spongerider 22:00:59 12/02/01 isn't that what I said at the start of all this? (n/m) - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 22:04:14 12/02/01 I know but not to you to FantaZ. :P (n/m) - Spongerider 22:15:58 12/02/01 you could NOT be further from the truth man - StEaMyZ(ZtoyZ.NET©) 23:34:30 12/02/01 It's about crank horse power, not RWHP - F8IZHIS 21:44:08 12/02/01 yes and no - FANTAZ 21:57:42 12/02/01 torque converters - Marshall 22:19:20 12/02/01 true, but we don't really have that option - FANTAZ 22:37:45 12/02/01 true - Marshall 22:44:17 12/02/01 I have a question for you - Marshall 22:48:45 12/02/01 I think the better run will happen - F8IZHIS 22:52:17 12/02/01 this is something that i have posed to a few people - FANTAZ 23:37:15 12/02/01 hehehehe - StEaMyZ(ZtoyZ.NET©) 23:31:02 12/02/01 and yet the auto still runs faster (n/m) - Z 6370 (Fab Hoe) 21:45:04 12/02/01 I think the reason is really quite simple - Marshall 22:08:04 12/02/01 the powerglide is one of the most efficient - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 22:11:08 12/02/01 this is true, powerglides are the most efficient - FANTAZ 22:17:18 12/02/01 thank you (n/m) - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 22:20:43 12/02/01 Hmmm, I've heard they have high loss% - Marshall 22:26:58 12/02/01 you are right about that, they do have a lot of slip due to - FANTAZ 22:34:19 12/02/01 that's what i always thought too (n/m) - Jefe 22:58:14 12/02/01 Re: here we go, for those of you who didn't believe me the f - kZtt 22:13:54 12/02/01 i have numerous times and the car ran 11.7@126 (n/m) - FANTAZ 22:21:07 12/02/01 Okay :) (n/m) - kZtt 22:27:04 12/02/01 and dont forget he has a NA diff, which also increases power - Jefe 22:36:01 12/02/01 Hey Shawn, I'm the one that was driving so I can tell you... - Mike (La Canada) 23:08:42 12/02/01 I believe I was that someone else :-) (n/m) - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 23:14:34 12/02/01 i'm not taking anything away from zhound car - FANTAZ 23:18:54 12/02/01 Keep up the good work man! Any low 10s in the future? (n/m) - timz 23:22:17 12/02/01 With the whole At to MT tranny's issue - Mike (La Canada) 23:29:00 12/02/01 all of the above check arnel's site (n/m) - FANTAZ 23:33:27 12/02/01 another very important aspect of my trap speed - FANTAZ 23:45:17 12/02/01 I understand what you've said and what you're saying now - Mike (La Canada) 00:28:14 12/03/01 He's been on Overboost.com, UrbanRacer.com numerous times - got rice? 00:03:43 12/03/01 why would he need 8 or 9 point cage - StEaMyZ(ZtoyZ.NET©) 00:10:17 12/03/01 even though he may not break 9.99 he'll break 135 mph - got rice? 06:05:47 12/03/01 See, he wouldn't even say he had TD-05's - Mike (La Canada) 00:23:19 12/03/01 If I have some custom work to make the fastest street Z, - timz 23:20:42 12/02/01 I won't keep it a secret - F8IZHIS 23:29:00 12/02/01 Don't speculate like that - Mike (La Canada) 23:33:29 12/02/01 I think he meant after the fact - Playboy 23:51:37 12/02/01 Yes, but not the custom stuff> - timz 23:37:14 12/02/01 Yes, I will - F8IZHIS 23:55:51 12/02/01 i would yes (n/m) - StEaMyZ(ZtoyZ.NET©) 00:13:01 12/03/01 ok cool, whats the secret sauce?? hehe (n/m) - TAGURIT(NJ) 14:07:39 12/03/01 What the hell do you have to gain? - Jack B. 01:37:47 12/03/01 Thank you. Finally people are starting to come around (n/m) - 96-2+2TT(NYC) 23:29:27 12/02/01 You're not giving it away for free - Mike (La Canada) 23:32:31 12/02/01 some people are just that way - StEaMyZ(ZtoyZ.NET©) 00:08:15 12/03/01 Your delivery seems a bit abrasive>>> - SirpriZ 00:45:26 12/03/01 Same power? I'm I reading this properly? - TwinTurboPete 08:49:08 12/03/01 interesting debate but i gotta go with the 5 spd (n/m) - NISSAN_300ZXTT 10:30:17 12/03/01
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